tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-188390756370405242.post7880024365391813449..comments2023-03-28T20:53:51.212-07:00Comments on The moar you cry the less you pee: Real life consequences for in game actionsPinky Feldmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14743850109590575848noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-188390756370405242.post-20651125383927135632012-12-02T16:43:05.844-08:002012-12-02T16:43:05.844-08:00I think this is a great thing, people should defin...I think this is a great thing, people should definitely be punished for in-game actions.Too many times that I've played multiplayer games I've found myself being murdered over and over by these griefer fellows and I can't wait for the day when they'll be sent to prison for life on multiple counts of murder.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03725959720237115204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-188390756370405242.post-74053752552630255592012-05-05T19:40:59.099-07:002012-05-05T19:40:59.099-07:00So I've been thinking a fair bit about this, a...So I've been thinking a fair bit about this, and have duly reached a conclusion:<br /><br />I couldn't agree more with this.<br /><br />Basically:<br /><br />The victim had the choice. He chose badly, and EVE being EVE, that meant he paid the price, which is exactly how it should be. I misremember the exact figure now, but IIRC, didn't he spend something like <i>USD 1000.00 real money</i> for all those PLEX'? Clearly, this is a guy who has cash to spare, but if, on the other hand, he really couldn't afford that, then really he needs to re-evaluate his life, and re-learn the boundaries between "game" and "real world."<br /><br />So, basically seems like a RL-rich know-nothing who thinks "more Gold = win," and found out the hard way that this is anti-ethical to everything EVE is supposed to be.<br /><br />TL/DR: Working as intended, zero sympathy from me.MidianLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257746687394274942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-188390756370405242.post-12132327974797398062012-04-17T09:40:24.899-07:002012-04-17T09:40:24.899-07:00Yay solipsistic societies. The line between realit...Yay solipsistic societies. The line between reality and fantasy is blurring, and that is to my mind, a bad thing.<br />Shooting someone in a video game is NOT the same as shooting them in real life.<br />Cyber-bullying? What a crock of BULLSHIT. Tis a sad fucking commentary on how "protected" and "coddled" our society is when some words on a screen carry the same "weight" as being literally beaten or having trash thrown on you, or being thrown IN the trash. Good job, Pinky, you brought out my hardcore HTFU side IRL. ;-)Hong WeiLohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14702284760088727892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-188390756370405242.post-91573511307204639392012-04-16T20:57:25.065-07:002012-04-16T20:57:25.065-07:00If you consider the game as a medium with which yo...If you consider the game as a medium with which you interact with another person, just like "reality" and consider that in griefing or scamming or whatever else your actions will involve deceit and hurting another person emotionally, then all these actions are no different then actions irl.<br /><br />I find it quite hard to watch people suffer from my action, personally, even if I could shield myself from the consequence or discovery. It is much easier to do it in eve and even then only if i don't think about the other person, turning off my empathy. in a group setting, it is even easier, because my corpmates would reinforce me with cheer and encouragement, saying a job well done and that i pwnt the noob. it is sort of like joining a gang making doing crime easier, i guess, so gangbang participant "going along with it". etc.<br /><br />the game makes it seems unreal, putting barrier between you and the other person, dehumanising the whole process. it is like those drone pilots dropping bombs on pixels.<br /><br />i felt i was edging closer to the edge. you can't deny that game and "irl" aren't completely seperated, infact quite intertwined and to say they don't is just lying.<br /><br />i used to tell myself the same reasons i have since heard many times: <br />the noobs got what he deserved<br />its a game <br />learn to play <br />if you're stupid then not my fault i exploit the rules to pwn you <br />hate the player don't hate the game<br />if i don't somebody else will<br />im doing it for the eve economy<br /><br />all of this are just excuses for the real reason, some sort of psychological process which makes me enjoy griefing. maybe its the feeling of superiority or sadistic tendency to be cruel to others.<br /><br />i don't know. what i do know is that it is fun for me. that blowing other people is much more fun than blowing up rats, even if they are equally easy. that making money from scamming is more fun even though i already have more money than i could spend. that i would make an alt to infiltrate a corp to scam them for 2b after 2 months work just because i can watch them cry later.<br /><br />but after i really thought about it, i realised just how bad it is and how unhealthy it is for me. i keep thinking about what the logical conclusion of my behaviour extrapolating into irl means, whether or not it could happen in the future.<br /><br />and so i quit. such a strange way to quit i think but im happy i did. i think eve in a way reflects very much real life, that people will exploit you and get away with it and it is quite valuable experience for young naive teenagers perhaps.<br /><br />it would be impossible to stop griefing in eve. the game nature of it just lures people into thinking that they are safe and some of them are quite shocked when reality hits. the ability to get isk easily from $$ compounds this, since without by the time somebody has 200m he probably already knows that industrials are only good for carrying rocks.<br /><br />and there is no real consequence as deterrent in eve. irl, if you fucked somebody's wife you are liable to be shot in the back of the head. in eve, you can pull the most insidious of scam and at most you will get banned or hated and even then you have alts.<br /><br />its just a breeding ground for anti-social behaviour.anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17256325904056001822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-188390756370405242.post-37917387528762616262012-04-16T20:50:59.503-07:002012-04-16T20:50:59.503-07:00Great post. I have to agree with you on the morali...Great post. I have to agree with you on the morality bit. If some random reader finds this and wants to morally condemn the scammers, Don't play eve, ever. We don't need that kind of moral high-horse bullshit in a video game.<br /><br />As to Jester flip-flopping, make up your mind before I dub thee Mitt Romney.Urziel99https://www.blogger.com/profile/03913979530500732985noreply@blogger.com